Curse

siominos · Apr 16, 2009, 05:17 PM // 17:17

hi
plz critic this build. i am not sure if its works good.

A/E
Shadow arts: 12+4
Fire magic:9
Deadly arts:9

shadow form
deadly paradox
glyph of swiftness
fire storm
searing heat
fire attunement
dancing daggers
shadow refuge

Some attunement runes are needed plus +20% enchanted waepon.

Eragon Zarroc · Apr 16, 2009, 05:27 PM // 17:27

you have no energy management. you will run out of enough energy to maintain ur SF.

Lux Aeterna · Apr 16, 2009, 05:36 PM // 17:36

You really really won't be able to cast all those nukes and maintain shadow form.

Brawn Over Brains · Apr 16, 2009, 05:37 PM // 17:37

I agree, even with Zealous Daggers of Enchanting you couldn't maintain.

siominos · Apr 16, 2009, 05:42 PM // 17:42

Thanks for some advice. I will try to manage the build. The only thing is that deadly paradox disables attack skills so its not good to use daggers.

_Nihilist_ · Apr 16, 2009, 05:53 PM // 17:53

Nor is it good to use high cost spells. If you burn all of your energy trying to pump out damage, you won't have enough to maintain SF and SF is going to drop; you're going to have ~50hp, and you're going to be face to face with a world of hurt.

Kinlo · Apr 16, 2009, 06:17 PM // 18:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyrael_Eveningsong

you're going to be face to face with a world of hurt.

Loved that sentence. xD

Anyway, besides energy management, the damage output won't be great either (nerfed).

~Kinlo

Dre · Apr 16, 2009, 07:30 PM // 19:30

drop [Fire Storm] for [Teinai's Heat] and [Dancing Daggers] for [Glyph of Lesser Energy]
max out fire magic (3 points in deadly arts is more than enough, since you can activate [deadly paradox] right before you cast [Shadow Form])

Zzes Tyan · Apr 16, 2009, 08:13 PM // 20:13

its going to suck, even with energy management, the AoE's will cause scatter, and with a 30 second recharge on each, thats really only 90 damage per cast, (enemies scatter in 3 sec) so... 30x3=90, there are other less energy, lower recharge, skills that are much better than the 2 AoEs

Skyy High · Apr 16, 2009, 08:17 PM // 20:17

Honestly, I'd stop trying to use a fire nuker build altogether. People use [Sliver Armor] and [Radiation Field] because they don't cause scatter. Nuking a whole bunch of guys in HM at once will just lead to them running away from the nukes, and you'll do no real damage.

Unless of course you're farming in NM, in which case...well, why are you farming in NM?

TheodenKing · Apr 16, 2009, 09:06 PM // 21:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by siominos

The only thing is that deadly paradox disables attack skills so its not good to use daggers.

You just need to attack with zealous dags, not necessarily use attack skills.
Anyway, because of the damage reduction while in [shadow form], I would encourage you to find a way to boost your damage, such as:

[ebon battle standard of honor], [by ural's hammer], [intensity].

Having used both fire and earth quite a bit with my perma, I am of the strong opinion that [sliver armor] is better than what the entire book of fire skills offers the permasin.

infamous16 · Apr 16, 2009, 10:39 PM // 22:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skyy High

Honestly, I'd stop trying to use a fire nuker build altogether. People use [Sliver Armor] and [Radiation Field] because they don't cause scatter. Nuking a whole bunch of guys in HM at once will just lead to them running away from the nukes, and you'll do no real damage.

Unless of course you're farming in NM, in which case...well, why are you farming in NM?

sliver causes scatter...

Skyy High · Apr 16, 2009, 11:18 PM // 23:18

No, it really doesn't. That's what I use on my perma sin raptor farmer, and the only time any enemy runs is if he gets down below 50% hp (most of the time, they get instagibbed before they get out of range of sliver, but occasionally it takes a bit of wanding to keep them attacking long enough to kill). When there are more than 3 of them clustered around a single target and they start taking damage, and don't have any way to heal themselves, they run. That's not what "scatter" is; that's a separate behavior that all melee mobs have, and all farms have to deal with.

"Scatter" from AoE will happen to all monsters in a mob, regardless of how many are attacking a single target, what health they're at, if they're melee or ranged. As long as the damage is coming from a DoT AoE, they'll run around like chickens with their heads cut off, nullifying the majority of the damage if you're trying to farm them all quickly. This is why perma farmers use Sliver Armor, and don't use fire spells.

siominos · Apr 17, 2009, 11:28 AM // 11:28

I have changed the build a little

[shadow form][deadly paradox][glyph of swiftness][signet of shadows][glyph of lesser energy][dancing daggers][shadow refuge] the last spot is empty. I need help filling the last spot.

Bobby2 · Apr 17, 2009, 01:28 PM // 13:28

For what purposes do you use that build? It's obviously not for farming, since it's very slow at dealing with (multiple) foes.

siominos · Apr 17, 2009, 02:03 PM // 14:03

I dont now really. i just maked it for fun.

wilebill · Apr 17, 2009, 02:23 PM // 14:23

Ah, now you're talking! If the build is fun, then it works!